President Ahmad Mahayuddin Abd Manaf says
Even if the non-Malays are to take this lying down, would Sabahans and Sarawakians really accept this 'Malaysia belongs to the Malays' statement? I find that hard to believe that ...... remember Borneo was never part of the Malay sultanates, and if this group is to claim that Sabah belongs to the Malays, then I think it is an invitation to the Filipinos and the so-called sultanate of Sulu to stake claims too. Now that would be fun to watch.
And Sarawak .... hard to imagine that the sultanate of Brunei would not stake a claim should Sarawakians find themselves in 'being claimed' by Peninsular Malays. After all, it was part of the Brunei sultanate until it was 'given away' to the White Rajah. And if Sarawakians are smart, they would opt to be part of Brunei instead, if push turns to shove -- at the very least the zero income tax sure helps. Under the current 'sultan' Taib Mahmud, the ordinary Sarawakians do not get much, but if they cast their lot with Brunei, they may find themselves a little richer overall. So, I think the Sarawakian (and Sabahan) pride will be put to the test if the Peninsular Malays are to imposed their ketuanan over there too.
So, does MALAYSIA truly belongs to the Malays alone?
What should be clearly understood by all is that as a result of the extraordinarily generous conferment of citizenship upon a million Chinese and Indians on the eve of Merdeka, the political landscape changed drastically.
OK MR SPIN DOCG YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT A MILLIOM CHINESE AND INDIAN WHAT ABOUT JAVANES LIKES OF BIGOT RACIALIST TO’YOL WHERE DID GOT YOU DEGREE ? IF YOU DON’T
UNDERSTAD HISTORY I CAN ENLIGHTTEN
We know that the Islam calendar dates 1400++ meaning to say that Islam came to the picture only 1400++ years ago. So, before the Malay-Muslim settlement grew across SE Asia who were the originals settlers?My point is, before the Malay Muslim settlement grew, take Malaysia as an example, who were the penduduk asal, natives of Malaysia or Tanah Melayu or whatever the name was before Tanah Melayu and what was their religion (if they had any). I definitely think it was not the Malays (if they were, the orang asli or natives, aborigines today) will be called Malays and not branded Bumis instead.If history is the contention then we must first decide how far we want to go back in time! 600 years? 1,000 years, 2,050 years? 65,000 years ago during the last ice age? Or should it be 1957?Once the cutoff date is decided, which is arbitrary and contentious anyway, then we can decide on peoples’ of the land.
On genetics, its has been proven by dna studies that the people of the nusantara have 19% Indian genes, fully disqualifying them as aboriginals or originals of the land. They are mestizos, chams, or mixed!On the first two counts malays are not the peoples of the peninsula but are immigrants to Malaya and the Nusantara. Prima facie, the Orang Asli are the bumiputras of the LANDNo one actually knows who were the original settlers of Malaysia. History says that Malays are orang laut (seafarers), hence Austronesian.Therefore it makes sense that these folks travelled to several countries and finally settling down. But that doesnt in any way mean that they are the original settlers of that land.. I believe you know what I mean and trying to say. But long before Islam, were there already Malays in Tanah Melayu and also SE Asia
HOW YOU KNOW THEY THEY ARE THE DESCENDANTS OF THE malaysianised indentured
Immigrants they could be fifth or sixth generation or maybe descencenants KADARAM KINDOM THAT IS HOME STATE ONCE RULED BY THE INDIAN CONQUERS WHO THERE BEFORE YOUR GREATGRANDFATHER ,
Ahmad Ismail tidak boleh menafikan hakikat bahawa datuk neneknya adalah pendatang dari India untuk menerokai penghidupan yang lebih baik dan selesa di bumi bertuah ini. Perdana Menteri Abdullah bin Ahmad juga tergolong dalam kategori yang sama. Datuknya di sebelah ibu adalah pendatang dari wilayah Guandong, China. Pendek kata, datuk Pak Lah iaitu bapa Allahyarhamah Kailan bernama Hassan Salleh atau Hah Su Chiang adalah seorang pendatang. Beliau berhijrah ke Tanah Melayu dari wilayah Guandong (Kwantung) pada pertengahan abad ke-19 dan menetap di Bayan Lepas sebagai pekebun getah, pesawah padi dan kemudian saudagar intan berlian. Najib Tun Razak, Timbalan PM juga berasal daripada keluarga pendatang iaitu dari Sulawesi, Indonesia atau lebih senang disebut orang Bugis manakala sepupunya Hishamudin Hussein tidak terlepas daripada darah keturunan Turki. Datuk nenek mantan PM Tun Dr Mahathir Mohamad juga pendatang dari Kerala, India manakala ibu Almarhum Tunku Abul Rahman berasal dari negeri Siam (Thailand). Kesultanan Melayu Melaka pun dibuka oleh orang pendatang dari Sumatra bernama Parameswara, seorang anak raja atau bangsawan beragama Hindu. Dalam sejarah kesultanan Melayu,
SO WHICH INDIAN AND CHINESE YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT YOU MERCENARY WRITER, ARE TALKING ABOUT THE INDIAN IN THE BUJANG VALLEY THE KADARAM KINGDOM
HOW YOU KNOW THEY THEY ARE THE DESCENDANTS OF THE malaysianised indentured immigrants they could be fifth or sixth generation or maybe descencenants KADARAM KINDOM THAT IS HOME STATE DATUK KADIR JASIN ONCE RULED BY THE INDIAN CONQUERS WHO THERE HERE BEFORE YOUR GREAT GREAT GRANDFATHER ,
Dr Chandra Muzaffar, New Straits Times IF the ethnic temperature in the country has increased in the last few months, it is partly because few of us not bother to explain to our own community the concerns of the “ethnic other
WHO THE CREATER OF THE PROBLEMS ,YOU SAID, Three, logically, indigenous Malay kingdoms of the pre-colonial period should have evolved into a Malay nation at the time of Merdeka. This did not happen mainly because the British colonial administration which had facilitated the huge influx of Chinese and Indian migrants into the country in the 19th and early 20th centuries changed its policy immediately after World War 2 and insisted that Chinese and Indians be granted citizenship.
THIS IS WHAT DATUK KADIR JASIN WROTE IN HIS BLOG–in 1957 to their communities.
Tuans left. For some reasons, they forgot to send back to China and India or bring with them to old England the millions of indentured Chinese and Indian workers. , theInstead, the Tuans told the lazy but kindhearted Malays, led by a prince no less, that they could have their independence on condition that they accord citizenship to the Chinese and Indians who choose to stay put.Overnight, the Persekutuan Tanah Melayu aka the Federation of Malaya embraced one million Chinese and Indian immigrants.
.do you agree with the way he used the words why the the police has not callup the datuk, they very quick with others. what if the tuans decide to partition this country like in INDIA , THEY CREATE A PALESTINE
IN MALAYA THEN . SORRY I AM GIVING A HISTORY LESON I am not here to incite racial hatred but if the Malay Muslim community like Ahmad (PG Bkt Bendera UMNO)can say that Chinese and Indians are migrants, then I believe Malay Muslim too are migrants.
YOU SAID
This nation has a history that has shaped the present as it will mould the future.
The Malay rulers who were at the apex of sultanates that existed in one form or another for hundreds of years embody that history.
So does the Malay language, the lingua franca of the archipelago since time immemorial, which endows the region — the whole of Nusantara — with its cultural identity.
Islam is not just the religion of the Malays but was also the basis of law and administration in the region’s pre-colonial kingdoms.
The sultans, the Malay language and Islam, as many non-Malays know, are three vital pillars of the nation that are integral to the Malaysian Constitution. They are crucial ingredients in the collective consciousness of the Malays and help to define the character and identity of the nation.
WE ARE NOT DISPUTING ANY THIS ABOVE IT IS YOU PEOPLE ARE PLAYING THIS GAME FOR WHAT EVER REASON BUT NO WHRE IN THE CONTITUTION IT SAYS THAT THE TUAN FORGET TO SENT BACK THE CHINESE AND THE INDIAN .YOU RE A DISRACE TO THE MALAYSIA YOUR WRITING -Pathetically, too much generalizations, and lack of proper research or substance to back up his points. For someone is such academic position you would assume that he would have written more responsibly and would have extensive research materials to support that. However, this long piece is not much more than off-the-cuff opinions and anyone named Tom. Dick and Harry could have written just as wel
That is right, the Chinese are not questioning the political leadership of the Malays or the Royalty at all. What the Non Malays are questioning is the skewed implementation of the NEP which, beginning with a noble aim by the late Tun Razak, but was misused by Mahathir keep himself in power for 22 years.
Now these Mahathirist are coining the term Ketuanan Melayu to justify the continuation of Mahathir’s NEP, which is a discrimminative policy against the non Malays as compared to Tun Razak’s NEP which is to give a helping hand to the Malays of his time who were underpriviledged and to level the playing field. In an effort to inflame matters, these Mahathirist Umnoputras are going all out to say that the non Malays are trying to wrest power from the Malays and labelling the non Malay Malaysians as pendatangs. This is a blatant lie.
What the non Malays are asking is that as Malaysian born and raised here and knowing no other country as their Mother Land, be treated fairly as the citizen of Malaysia. This means no discrimmination! If the Malay poor is given assistance, then the non Malay poor should be given similar assistance. Now the vernacular schools are brought into the scene. The real issue should be how to increase the fluency in Bahasa Malayis of the vernacula school students. This can be solved by increasing the number of lesson and the method of presentation. Unless, it is the sinister motive of Malaynising all non Malays.I do not see why vernacular schools should be done away with. Today most of the Sek. Kebangsaan resembles Islamic schools. So if the govt want to attract more non Malays to the Sek Keb. then the govt should do something about it.
The Brits were the most able administrator of world in colonial time. They knew that the MAlays on their own will never be able to build up the country, that’s why they have to bring in the Chinese and Indians! That’s why, the Brits will only grant independence to MAlaya if the 3 major races agreed. The Brits recognised the contribution of Chinese and Indians. It is definitely NOT the significant concession or “hugh sacrifice” by the MAlay that won the independence, without the agreement of the Chinese and Indians, the Brits would not granted independence. Citizenship to Chinese and Indians were part of the conditions for independence. It was NOT the Malay’s sacrifice. Without Independence, non Malay would have been even better off, look at Hong Kong, HK prosper more than Malaysia without Independence. Brunei had to be forced to be independent by the Brits as late as 1984! So, without the Chinese and Indian agreement, there will not be Independence for Malaya then!
Dr Chandra Muzaffar is president of the International Movement for a Just World (JUST) and Professor of Global Studies at Universiti Sains Malaysia
What should be clearly understood by all is that as a result of the extraordinarily generous conferment of citizenship upon a million Chinese and Indians on the eve of Merdeka, the political landscape changed drastically.
OK MR SPIN DOCG YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT A MILLIOM CHINESE AND INDIAN WHAT ABOUT JAVANES LIKES OF BIGOT RACIALIST TO’YOL WHERE DID GOT YOU DEGREE ? IF YOU DON’T
HISTORY I CAN ENLIGHTEN
We know that the Islam calendar dates 1400++ meaning to say that Islam came to the picture only 1400++ years ago. So, before the Malay-Muslim settlement grew across SE Asia who were the originals settlers?My point is, before the Malay Muslim settlement grew, take Malaysia as an example, who were the penduduk asal, natives of Malaysia or Tanah Melayu or whatever the name was before Tanah Melayu and what was their religion (if they had any). I definitely think it was not the Malays (if they were, the orang asli or natives, aborigines today) will be called Malays and not branded Bumis instead.If history is the contention then we must first decide how far we want to go back in time! 600 years? 1,000 years, 2,050 years? 65,000 years ago during the last ice age? Or should it be 1957?Once the cutoff date is decided, which is arbitrary and contentious anyway, then we can decide on peoples’ of the land.
On genetics, its has been proven by dna studies that the people of the nusantara have 19% Indian genes, fully disqualifying them as aboriginals or originals of the land. They are mestizos, chams, or mixed!On the first two counts malays are not the peoples of the peninsula but are immigrants to Malaya and the Nusantara. Prima facie, the Orang Asli are the bumiputras of the LANDNo one actually knows who were the original settlers of Malaysia. History says that Malays are orang laut (seafarers), hence Austronesian.Therefore it makes sense that these folks travelled to several countries and finally settling down. But that doesnt in any way mean that they are the original settlers of that land.. I believe you know what I mean and trying to say. But long before Islam, were there already Malays in Tanah Melayu and also SE Asia
HOW YOU KNOW THEY THEY ARE THE DESCENDANTS OF THE malaysianised indentured
Immigrants they could be fifth or sixth generation or maybe descencenants KADARAM KINDOM THAT IS HOME STATE ONCE RULED BY THE INDIAN CONQUERS WHO THERE BEFORE YOUR GREATGRANDFATHER ,
Ahmad Ismail tidak boleh menafikan hakikat bahawa datuk neneknya adalah pendatang dari India untuk menerokai penghidupan yang lebih baik dan selesa di bumi bertuah ini. Perdana Menteri Abdullah bin Ahmad juga tergolong dalam kategori yang sama. Datuknya di sebelah ibu adalah pendatang dari wilayah Guandong, China. Pendek kata, datuk Pak Lah iaitu bapa Allahyarhamah Kailan bernama Hassan Salleh atau Hah Su Chiang adalah seorang pendatang. Beliau berhijrah ke Tanah Melayu dari wilayah Guandong (Kwantung) pada pertengahan abad ke-19 dan menetap di Bayan Lepas sebagai pekebun getah, pesawah padi dan kemudian saudagar intan berlian. Najib Tun Razak, Timbalan PM juga berasal daripada keluarga pendatang iaitu dari Sulawesi, Indonesia atau lebih senang disebut orang Bugis manakala sepupunya Hishamudin Hussein tidak terlepas daripada darah keturunan Turki. Datuk nenek mantan PM Tun Dr Mahathir Mohamad juga pendatang dari Kerala, India manakala ibu Almarhum Tunku Abul Rahman berasal dari negeri Siam (Thailand). Kesultanan Melayu Melaka pun dibuka oleh orang pendatang dari Sumatra bernama Parameswara, seorang anak raja atau bangsawan beragama Hindu. Dalam sejarah kesultanan Melayu,
SO WHICH INDIAN AND CHINESE YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT YOU MERCENARY WRITER, ARE TALKING ABOUT THE INDIAN IN THE BUJANG VALLEY THE KADARAM KINGDOM
HOW YOU KNOW THEY THEY ARE THE DESCENDANTS OF THE malaysianised indentured immigrants they could be fifth or sixth generation or maybe descencenants KADARAM KINDOM THAT IS HOME STATE DATUK KADIR JASIN ONCE RULED BY THE INDIAN CONQUERS WHO THERE HERE BEFORE YOUR GREAT GREAT GRANDFATHER ,
Dr Chandra Muzaffar, New Straits Times IF the ethnic temperature in the country has increased in the last few months, it is partly because few of us not bother to explain to our own community the concerns of the “ethnic other”
WHO THE CREATER OF THE PROBLEMS ,
YOU SAID, Three, logically, indigenous Malay kingdoms of the pre-colonial period should have evolved into a Malay nation at the time of Merdeka. This did not happen mainly because the British colonial administration which had facilitated the huge influx of Chinese and Indian migrants into the country in the 19th and early 20th centuries changed its policy immediately after World War 2 and insisted that Chinese and Indians be granted citizenship.
THIS IS WHAT DATUK KADIR JASIN WROTE IN HIS BLOG–in 1957 to their communities.
Tuans left. For some reasons, they forgot to send back to China and India or bring with them to old England the millions of indentured Chinese and Indian workers. , theInstead, the Tuans told the lazy but kindhearted Malays, led by a prince no less, that they could have their independence on condition that they accord citizenship to the Chinese and Indians who choose to stay put.Overnight, the Persekutuan Tanah Melayu aka the Federation of Malaya embraced one million Chinese and Indian immigrants.
.do you agree with the way he used the words why the the police has not callup the datuk, they very quick with others. what if the tuans decide to partition this country like in INDIA , THEY CREATE A PALESTINE
IN MALAYA THEN . SORRY I AM GIVING A HISTORY LESON I am not here to incite racial hatred but if the Malay Muslim community like Ahmad (PG Bkt Bendera UMNO)can say that Chinese and Indians are migrants, then I believe Malay Muslim too are migrants.
YOU SAID
This nation has a history that has shaped the present as it will mould the future.
The Malay rulers who were at the apex of sultanates that existed in one form or another for hundreds of years embody that history.
So does the Malay language, the lingua franca of the archipelago since time immemorial, which endows the region — the whole of Nusantara — with its cultural identity.
Islam is not just the religion of the Malays but was also the basis of law and administration in the region’s pre-colonial kingdoms.
The sultans, the Malay language and Islam, as many non-Malays know, are three vital pillars of the nation that are integral to the Malaysian Constitution. They are crucial ingredients in the collective consciousness of the Malays and help to define the character and identity of the nation.
WE ARE NOT DISPUTING ANY THIS ABOVE IT IS YOU PEOPLE ARE PLAYING THIS GAME FOR WHAT EVER REASON BUT NO WHRE IN THE CONTITUTION IT SAYS THAT THE TUAN FORGET TO SENT BACK THE CHINESE AND THE INDIAN .YOU RE A DISRACE TO THE MALAYSIA YOUR WRITING -Pathetically, too much generalizations, and lack of proper research or substance to back up his points. For someone is such academic position you would assume that he would have written more responsibly and would have extensive research materials to support that. However, this long piece is not much more than off-the-cuff opinions and anyone named Tom. Dick and Harry could have written just as wel
That is right, the Chinese are not questioning the political leadership of the Malays or the Royalty at all. What the Non Malays are questioning is the skewed implementation of the NEP which, beginning with a noble aim by the late Tun Razak, but was misused by Mahathir keep himself in power for 22 years.
Now these Mahathirist are coining the term Ketuanan Melayu to justify the continuation of Mahathir’s NEP, which is a discrimminative policy against the non Malays as compared to Tun Razak’s NEP which is to give a helping hand to the Malays of his time who were underpriviledged and to level the playing field. In an effort to inflame matters, these Mahathirist Umnoputras are going all out to say that the non Malays are trying to wrest power from the Malays and labelling the non Malay Malaysians as pendatangs. This is a blatant lie.
What the non Malays are asking is that as Malaysian born and raised here and knowing no other country as their Mother Land, be treated fairly as the citizen of Malaysia. This means no discrimmination! If the Malay poor is given assistance, then the non Malay poor should be given similar assistance. Now the vernacular schools are brought into the scene. The real issue should be how to increase the fluency in Bahasa Malayis of the vernacula school students. This can be solved by increasing the number of lesson and the method of presentation. Unless, it is the sinister motive of Malaynising all non Malays.I do not see why vernacular schools should be done away with. Today most of the Sek. Kebangsaan resembles Islamic schools. So if the govt want to attract more non Malays to the Sek Keb. then the govt should do something about it.
The Brits were the most able administrator of world in colonial time. They knew that the MAlays on their own will never be able to build up the country, that’s why they have to bring in the Chinese and Indians! That’s why, the Brits will only grant independence to MAlaya if the 3 major races agreed. The Brits recognised the contribution of Chinese and Indians. It is definitely NOT the significant concession or “hugh sacrifice” by the MAlay that won the independence, without the agreement of the Chinese and Indians, the Brits would not granted independence. Citizenship to Chinese and Indians were part of the conditions for independence. It was NOT the Malay’s sacrifice. Without Independence, non Malay would have been even better off, look at Hong Kong, HK prosper more than Malaysia without Independence. Brunei had to be forced to be independent by the Britsh as late as 1984! So, without the Chinese and Indian agreement, there will not be Independence for Malaya then!
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